Looking back at the manner in which Thunderbolts ended, I can only imagine had Ben been in the film & Matt would have learned he is an Avenger after.
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Just_Log_85282025-11-03 17:04
You should check out the dark avengers comic run. If you like this concept you’ll dig the run.
AmusinglyArtistic2025-11-03 17:05
I definitely would, thank you so much & hope you're doing well.
Majestic-Marcus2025-11-03 20:22
This was surprisingly wholesome. Legit made me go ‘awk’. Well done. But also… why the fuck did you call Bullseye, Ben?!
TrillaCactus2025-11-03 20:26
Has some really dope stuff but you need some context from previous series’s to understand what’s going on.
HankSteakfist2025-11-04 12:06
The press conference scene from the end of Thunderbolts definitely felt inspired by Dark Avengers.
As was Val using Avengers tower.
AppropriatePurple6092025-11-03 17:13
His heartbeat must've been crazy seeing the guy who murdered his best friend become an avenger.
Long_Ganache_13352025-11-03 17:39
Zemo will probably make his own thunderbolts recruiting Emil Blonsky, Benjamin Poindexter, Herman Schultz, Karl Mordo, & Elektra Natchios
ModernBass2025-11-03 17:52
That feels weird though, right? Dude who canonically hates super humans with murderous passion creates group of the most dangerous unhinged ones.
Just doesn't seem right for MCU Zemo
Trauma_Hawks2025-11-03 17:56
Only one of those people actually has powers, Blonsky. And he's not exactly a fan of them, and was certainly manipulated into it. Everyone is just awesome, but not super powered. Maybe Mordo, but does magic *really* count?
ModernBass2025-11-03 17:57
Actually, Mordo is the one I can see him getting along with the most. Mordo basically wants the same thing as him.
But even then, Zemo isn't a fan of people pretending to be heros, period. Even with no powers.
OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-03 21:11
Preventing dormammu from gaining another grip in the mortal realm?
ModernBass2025-11-03 23:10
No more sorcerers
OnlinePosterPerson2025-11-04 00:16
Yeah he doesn’t want sorcerers because he views the practice as hypocritical due to threat they pose in granting dormammu entrance into the mortal realm
ModernBass2025-11-04 00:47
I'm not arguing with you. I agree
I'm saying, that means his goal still aligns with what Zemo wants. No super powered humans. I'm sure Zemo would love leaving the end of the sorcerers up to another person. Gives him time to focus on the more man made stuff like the Super Soldiers.
1eejit2025-11-03 20:26
Poindexter will be revealed to be a mutant IMHO
shrub7062025-11-03 20:33
why? he's not any different than someone like hawkeye or daredevil?
1eejit2025-11-03 20:51
His feats are beyond Hawkeye, more on par with Daredevil, whom you may remember is powered.
shrub7062025-11-03 20:54
daredevil is specifically *not* powered, all of his abilities are things that any human in universe could just train to do, the difference with daredevil specifically is his accident turned everything all the way up and he had to learn to control it where a normal person would have to start from nothing and work their way up, but he specifically does not have any abilities that are beyond what a normal human is capable of in universe and is *definitely not* a mutant
1eejit2025-11-03 21:00
Daredevil isn't a mutant but he's on par with what many can do powers wise.
He is very clearly superpowered. Your argument is like saying Captain America isn't superpowered menage anyone can be strong. Their abilities are beyond human peak.
shrub7062025-11-03 22:09
no because captain america was given physical ability that no human could train to, all of Matt's abilities are trainable in universe
1eejit2025-11-03 22:11
Echolocation to the extent of being able to dodge gunfire? Sure thing.
Eastern_Hornet_64322025-11-04 00:56
I guess the question is, if Matt's accident gave him superpowers, then why is Stick able to do everything Matt's powers do?
Trauma_Hawks2025-11-03 21:27
I distinctly remember little Matt Murdock getting dunked into chemicals. And now he can see while blind and has super human senses, and echo location. None of which is natural.
shrub7062025-11-03 22:08
all of those are things that you could train to do in universe, the chemicals accident just gave matt those abilities without training and he had to learn to focus them, but those are all things that a regular person could learn if they wanted to in universe, thats how the guy who trained him (stick) has the same abilities matt does, he just practiced them instead of getting them all at once in an accident. daredevil does not, and never has, been superhuman
Trauma_Hawks2025-11-03 22:38
I know it's an *incredibly* short sequence, but we do "see" through Matt's eyes. That ain't just heightened senses man. The way Dare Devil "sees" is not normal and I think squarely falls into the realm of super powers. He has superhuman senses *because* of the accident. The Stick just trained them.
ModernBass2025-11-04 19:54
Tbf, bro did get thrown off a five story building, face planted, and seemed fully recovered in a year.
Trauma_Hawks2025-11-03 20:43
I hope not. That would be such a cop out. I always liked the idea of a "hero" that fights with superpowered assholes and aliens and gods, and can still hang with them. I have far more respect for an incredibly skilled Bullseye giving someone like Iron Fist, or even Dare Devil, a run for their money.
1eejit2025-11-03 20:50
I like that too but Poindexter's feats are far beyond Hawkeye, whom that already applies to.
ModernBass2025-11-03 20:58
Yeah but tbf, point Dexter has the benefit of being on a TV ma setting.
We don't know what prime shield Hawkeye was like
JacenStargazer2025-11-03 18:18
Zemo wants to eliminate superpowers. That doesn’t make sense.
No way Mordo would work for Zemo either. He’s concerned with magic, and he’s not opposed to power in concept like Zemo is- he just wants to be the only one who has it. He’s not anyone’s acolyte anymore.
jcagraham2025-11-03 18:35
Agree, if Zemo made a Thunderbolts, it would only be non-superpowered individuals. Poindexter probably counts as non-powered even though he has the reconstructed spine. Yelena would count as well as a pre-murdered Taskmaster. After that, it would probably be people like Mysterio's surviving crew or ex-SHIELD/Hydra agents.
Majestic-Marcus2025-11-03 20:24
No. There’s zero chance of that.
Zemo isn’t evil in the MCU. He’s deluded.
bladestorm17452025-11-03 23:36
I feel like Emil wouldn’t work with that, he’s kinda reformed since She-Hulk and Shang-Chi, opting to work with Wong to be a better person. He’s not really an abomination anymore, just a changed man.
WebHead12872025-11-03 17:48
kennyofthegulch2025-11-03 17:54
The MCU Thunderbolts are assassins, not fucking serial killers.
drake30112025-11-03 18:04
SkekJay2025-11-04 17:52
What's the difference? One's a profession the other one's a mental sickness!
DuckyHornet2025-11-03 20:05
Potato potato
A_unlife2025-11-03 21:38
Nah you see, it's cool when you do it for money, not pleasure, but they don't check if they overlap, though
Markus28222025-11-03 21:56
I think it can be argued he’s both. I mean go watch born again season 1, he’s literally hired as an assassin
kennyofthegulch2025-11-03 23:38
You know what I meant, and don't pretend you don't.
CRIMS0N-ED2025-11-04 02:24
gonna be real I don’t think there’s much difference in the acts other than some being reformed and others not. Like Bucky was brainwashed sure but the rest fully did the things they did and killed plenty of people
kennyofthegulch2025-11-04 02:27
He literally stalked a woman, murdered multiple individuals at the behest of a mafia boss including federal agents, and taunted Daredevil after murdering his best friend and over 10 other people including multiple NYPD officers.
Markus28222025-11-04 19:04
Yelena stalked people too, Yelena literally blew up a whole building for a corrupt government member (sound familiar), I guess not many thunderbolts really taunt people or personally harm people but like also Red Guardian isn’t even a trained assassin as far as we’ve really seen. So having that be a dealbreaker is a bit odd.
I’d say he’d fit right in.
kennyofthegulch2025-11-04 19:06
No, she blew up ONE FLOOR that was populated by corrupt government-employed scientists. Dex murdered 11 people in a bar and actively targeted civilians.
If you think he fits in you're likely a sociopath yourself.
Markus28222025-11-04 19:33
Oh no, she blew up an entire floor not building, far more than 11 people, who we saw at least one begging for their lives and telling her that her consequences can literally end the world. Whom she jokes about him being able to barely say his last words as she chokes him to death. Note this is after, she shoots people who are already down and out, making sure to execute them. Seriously rewatch [this](https://youtu.be/y5OefzhlkT4?si=E9XJ8IggoSb8Q63w) scene she’s brutal. And that’s just one mission? That she’s been going on a ton?
You’re right he probably doesn’t fit, if anything he’s far nicer and has killed far less people than she has. At least he is socially aware and cares about the consequences of his actions like with Julie. Whereas Yelena goes “eh end the world blah blah blah I’m gonna blow you up anyway”.
Also what are we 3 years old “if you don’t agree with me your cuckoo”? Grow up. Let’s discuss facts and what these two characters have done rather than insult people like a child who can’t admit they’re wrong.
kennyofthegulch2025-11-04 19:43
Look, if you can't figure out why an actual psychopathic mass-murderer doesn't belong on a team full of plucky asshole antiheroes I don't know what to tell you.
Markus28222025-11-04 19:47
Psychopathic mass murder like mocking someone’s last breaths after they tell you this will end the world on a mission where you go out of your way to execute people who are innocent only acting as security and then go on to blow up an entire floor of a building having no regard for how that affects the innocent civilians around the area?
Yes I do somewhat agree if you can’t figure out who the psychopathic mass murderer is here, then i don’t know what to tell you. It’s pretty clear who’s done worse things. (Keep in mind this is just one of many missions she’s done)
DJnotaRealDJ2025-11-03 18:04
I liked in earth's mightiest heroes they had a B team that didnt know they were avengers until A team disappeared lol.
ImJustHere4Memez2025-11-03 18:21
Who the hell refers to him as “Ben”!? 😭
TheSexyShaman2025-11-03 19:33
This is some serious r/titlegore
JeanRalfio2025-11-04 00:55
I read it a couple times before giving up understanding what it was trying to say.
supergeekmike2025-11-03 19:39
lol for real, calling him “Ben” really confused me - at first I thought they meant Ben Grimm, but then I saw a reference to “Ben and Matt,” and I was like, “Okay… did I miss something, were Ben Affleck and Matt Damon rumored to be in this movie and I never heard about it?”
FelixTheJeepJr2025-11-03 21:25
Same. My thought process went from Uncle Ben to Thing to Affleck and none of them made sense.
DoubleStrength2025-11-04 07:15
For real, can someone help me out with which characters OP is talking about here?
NamelessOne30062025-11-04 13:58
Bullseye and Daredevil.
StanyeEast2025-11-05 01:18
Ben been helped tons
CRdaddy2025-11-03 18:40
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cooscoos32025-11-03 19:50
r/lostredditors or r/lostChatGPT ???
Circaninetysix2025-11-03 19:12
Dex seems a little too unstable, even for The Thunderbolts.
Jaikarr2025-11-04 17:33
Could be an interesting addition in a later story.
Persas122025-11-03 19:36
Bullseye doesn´t fit the Thunderbolts at all, the common thing about Walker, Yelena, Ghost, Red Guardian, Taskmaster, Bucky and Bob is that they all have redeeming qualities and are not bad persons.
Bullseye is straight up evil.
TheObstruction2025-11-04 02:12
Yeah, Bullseye *likes* being a bad guy.
jaxomlotus2025-11-04 18:39
What I loved about his portrayal in the original netflix series was that he had to mask his incapability of understanding empathy for others. He kept repeating "that must be really hard for you" inappropriately to mask, after learning it is said to show empathy from another character. It was very nuanced and showed just how unemotionally socipathic he was.
Contrast this with the joker-esque style Colin Farrel Bullseye who just seemed like a straight up axe murdering clown.
myowngalactus2025-11-03 20:19
Did op use ai to write that title…
buttercupcake232025-11-03 21:15
AI would be more fucking coherent than this garbage title.
laslog2025-11-03 20:26
A dark avenger...
GatorAIDS10132025-11-04 01:01
Who??
Altruistic_Eye_11572025-11-04 02:22
I think it would have been interesting if Bullseye had been in the film.
Not only because of his mental health issues, but also because he's really in the same boat as the Thunderbolts, having been reduced to being "the Fisks' discarded mascot."
Chief_Awesome2025-11-04 10:04
The concept is really interesting and I LOVE Bullseye to death so I would have liked any inclusion of him at all. I don't think he has quite the dynamic that the rest of the Thunderbolts\* had and what the movie needed, but it would have been SO interesting seeing someone openly loyal to *De*Fontaine and her murderous/manipulative agenda in the main group (not that he is loyal; I think he *would* have been in a demented way, like with Fisk. Plus her politics could have easily hailed him as an FBI hero again).
Also, I took no issue with the title bro. I understood right away and the pic makes it obv.
backwoodsbatman2025-11-04 10:08
BULLSEYE is is a psycho. Not quite in the same league as the Thunderbolts.
SonOfRageNLove262025-11-04 15:20
I would love to see then do Dark Avengers someday, with actual villains, but I dont Poindexter would really fit with the Thunderbolts we got
Blonsky would've fit so well, tho. I know She-Hulk is no ones favorite project, but Blonsky getting rehabilitated is the one thread they could have continue organically on the movies
Inevitable-Opening162025-11-04 17:18
Bob: I was a meth addict
Dex: that sounds really hard...
CruzAderjc2025-11-05 02:56
I just realized that if you gave Dex the Captain America/Red Guardian/US Agent shield, he would absolutely lethal with it. If Dex was able to bounce an indestructible vibranium frisbee that basicaly defies the laws of physics, he might even be more dangerous than someone with super serum.
Funmachine2025-11-05 09:50
Anyone who thinks Bullseye would work in Thunderbolts doesn't understand Bullseye.
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As was Val using Avengers tower.
Just doesn't seem right for MCU Zemo
But even then, Zemo isn't a fan of people pretending to be heros, period. Even with no powers.
I'm saying, that means his goal still aligns with what Zemo wants. No super powered humans. I'm sure Zemo would love leaving the end of the sorcerers up to another person. Gives him time to focus on the more man made stuff like the Super Soldiers.
He is very clearly superpowered. Your argument is like saying Captain America isn't superpowered menage anyone can be strong. Their abilities are beyond human peak.
We don't know what prime shield Hawkeye was like
No way Mordo would work for Zemo either. He’s concerned with magic, and he’s not opposed to power in concept like Zemo is- he just wants to be the only one who has it. He’s not anyone’s acolyte anymore.
Zemo isn’t evil in the MCU. He’s deluded.
I’d say he’d fit right in.
If you think he fits in you're likely a sociopath yourself.
You’re right he probably doesn’t fit, if anything he’s far nicer and has killed far less people than she has. At least he is socially aware and cares about the consequences of his actions like with Julie. Whereas Yelena goes “eh end the world blah blah blah I’m gonna blow you up anyway”.
Also what are we 3 years old “if you don’t agree with me your cuckoo”? Grow up. Let’s discuss facts and what these two characters have done rather than insult people like a child who can’t admit they’re wrong.
Yes I do somewhat agree if you can’t figure out who the psychopathic mass murderer is here, then i don’t know what to tell you. It’s pretty clear who’s done worse things. (Keep in mind this is just one of many missions she’s done)
Bullseye is straight up evil.
Contrast this with the joker-esque style Colin Farrel Bullseye who just seemed like a straight up axe murdering clown.
Not only because of his mental health issues, but also because he's really in the same boat as the Thunderbolts, having been reduced to being "the Fisks' discarded mascot."
Also, I took no issue with the title bro. I understood right away and the pic makes it obv.
Blonsky would've fit so well, tho. I know She-Hulk is no ones favorite project, but Blonsky getting rehabilitated is the one thread they could have continue organically on the movies
Dex: that sounds really hard...